DELTA BOWL DEBRIS – En route to the Safe and Sound run in upper Bear Creek last week, two skiers crossed a large pile of avalanche debris in
Delta Bowl. Telluride Ski Patrol triggered the large slide with explosives as part of the ongoing Bear Creek Study. (Photo by Brett Schreckengost)
TELLURIDE –The Telluride Ski and Golf Co. has requested a special use permit allowing the company to offer guided ski and snowboard tours in the Upper Bear Creek sidecountry, but Town of Telluride officials have voiced concern that the proposal could violate a conservation easement that prohibits commercial activity in its Bear Creek Preserve in Lower Bear Creek.
Additionally, town officials voiced concerns about the administrative review process, in which the permit appears on track for approval by the U.S. Forest Service, according to documents obtained by The Watch through a public records request.
“We’re raising two issues,” Town Attorney Kevin Geiger confirmed.
The first concerns how the activity would be conducted “to make sure it protects and respects the conservation easement,” he said.
Secondly, “We feel it should be subject to a larger public permit scoping process,” he continued.
“The purpose of the guiding program is to ‘provide the public with additional quality, diverse skiing and riding experiences adjacent to the existing ski area with a trained guide,’” Telski Chief Executive Officer Dave Riley wrote in a letter submitted to the Forest Service in late November 2009 along with supplemental information about the proposed operation of guided services on Forest Service land located adjacent to the Telluride Ski Area Special Use Permit.
“We believe there is currently a demand and need for sidecountry guiding services as we have had the public request this service in the past,” he continued, using the term for terrain located outside a ski area’s permitted boundaries but made easily accessible by its chairlifts.
That plan requested a maximum of 500 service days during the operating season in order to conduct: full day trips that would include two to three runs in the Bear Creek drainage; half day trips including one run in the Bear Creek drainage; other private trips in the Bear Creek or Alta Lakes drainages; avalanche awareness clinics; and ski mountaineering routes such as K-12, the San Joaquin Couloir, Lena Basin or Little Wasatch areas.
“Prior to beginning the trip and at available opportunities during the trip, the guide will answer questions and provide information regarding the features, history, flora, fauna, etc. of the National Forest Lands,” the application notes.
The guide program would not operate any snowmobiles; each group would carry minimum gear “adequate for the party and an injured member for overnight survival or avalanche accident”; and helmets would be “encouraged but not required.”
“We hope to receive approval to offer this service to the public starting during the 2009/2010 ski season,” Riley, who at press time had not returned a phone call, noted.
The proposal may be on track for approval by means of a staff level administrative review, according to a letter dated Feb. 10 from Forest Service Norwood District Ranger Judy Schutza to the Town of Telluride.
“I am considering issuing the permit to [Telski] with the following important changes,” Schutza wrote, outlining ideas to address the concerns communicated to the Forest Service by the town and the San Miguel Conservation Foundation, which holds the conservation easement on the Bear Creek Preserve, in a meeting between the parties on Jan. 8.
Those ideas include limiting Telski’s use of Forest Service lands to 50 service days in the Alta area and 250 days in Upper Bear Creek.
Telski would be not be authorized to conduct tours from the Lower Bear Creek Gate at the top of Lift 9 because travel through the Bear Creek Preserve would be unavoidable; instead it could operate tours only from the Gold Hill, Palmyra Peak, and Alta Saddle Access gates.
Additionally, guides would be required to travel only on Forest Service lands to connect with Bear Creek Road, a county road that is not subject to the terms of the conservation easement in order to descend out of the Bear Creek Preserve. Schutza emphasized, in a telephone conversation Wednesday, that “final modifications” to the proposal are pending, and that it is premature “to involve the public” in discussions.
“This modified Telski application would attempt to have Telski use only the Wasatch Trail and the Bear Creek Road as the exclusive means of descending from Upper Bear Creek into the Bear Creek Preserve for a return to the Town of Telluride,” Geiger said, in a response to Schutza’s letter, adding that it remained unclear how guides could precisely determine the allowable route when extreme winter conditions obliterated it with snow, opining that they likely could not.
“How on earth do you find the route when it’s covered by three to seven feet of snow?” asked Hilary White, executive director of local conservation group Sheep Mountain Alliance, which opposes the proposal.
“I think the proposal is Telski’s first step of getting a foot in door to develop [the Bear Creek] area,” she continued. “We will do everything we can to oppose that effort.”
“Any additional people in that area, whether guided by so-called professionals or not, adds to the danger of those who enjoy the quiet, backcountry solitude of recreating in those lands.”
Geiger also noted in his letter to Schutza that the Wasatch Trail route is not the typical means of descent out of Bear Creek.
“It appears that this anticipated route will be a more challenging route with enhanced exposure to greater avalanche danger,” he wrote.
For his part, San Miguel County Sheriff Bill Masters, whose search and rescue operations now respond to incidents in Bear Creek and would continue to do so, according to Telski’s proposed plan, generally welcomed the idea.
“It would be great if everyone had a professional guide; a lot of people go up there who don’t know what they’re doing,” he said.
“We would really encourage that kind of service.”
Still, Masters said, the if the plan proceeds, he hopes that Telski’s clients will be required to purchase a backcountry use permit that allows the Sheriff’s Office to access state funding to pay for rescue costs.
According to Town Manager Frank Bell, the town is not categorically opposed to the idea of guided ski and snowboard tours in Bear Creek.
“If there’s a legitimate, reasonable, and effective action that would keep commercial activity out of the Bear Creek Preserve, we’re not necessarily opposed to it,” he said.
But, “It’s not realistic to assume that the guiding community actually will use the alternate route; they’ll do what their clients want them to do,” he said. “They’re going to go where their customers want.”
Additionally, “We’re not interested in having the Forest Service approve this administratively,” he said.
“Separate and apart from the merits of either the original or a modified Telski application, the Town believes that any [Forest Service] decision should include a public scoping process where the opinions and concerns of the community can be voiced by all stakeholders before any decision is rendered,” Geiger wrote.


Thanks!
Found this at http://konigsmark.blogspot.com/2009/11/eric-corff-legend.html
"After talking to them for a while, we asked them what the story was on the Eric Corff sticker.... They cannot be purchased. It's a sort of "guerilla revenge" operation. We later talked to a local girl and asked her who Eric Corff was. She sighed really big and said, "He's a douchebag!" After some pleading, she finally told us the background on the sticker. According to her, Eric Corff was a big, loudmouthed guy from New York City who moved to Telluride a couple of years ago. She said he was an extremely obnoxious guy who liked to walk into places with his chest puffed out and throw his weight around. He worked as a bouncer at some local bar. She said he was having an affair with a local guy's girlfriend and the local guy found out about it. The local guy found Eric Corff and beat him up. Eric Corff filed criminal charges on the local guy and stuck with it. The local guy ended up being convicted of assault and was sentenced to some kind of formal punishment. Meanwhile, Eric Corff continued to walk around with his chest puffed out, acting like a tough guy. The local guy is apparently a well-liked person in town. Shortly after his conviction for whipping Corff, the stickers started showing up. The girl said that Eric Corff was extremely embarrassed by the stickers and had even considered moving out of town because of them. I asked her, "So why didn't he?" She answered in a slightly louder voice and direct eye contact, "Because he's a douchebag!"
How like totally intelligent, doooood. Is Gustav back in town?
Hopefully, you got out there and made some turns with our existing lifts. It was really fun!
Smile
I SAID, WHO DIED AND MADE YOU KING, FACE!?
BETTER YET, WHO DIED AND MADE YOU GOD, FACE!?
Listen to you, "well I don't know absolutely what is right and wrong, but, uhhh...I know it when I see it. And let me tell you, expansion would be UNNECESSARY because...blab-ady-bla..BLA-ADY-BLA.?
Guess what FACE, that is an opinion, NOT FACT! "Well, uhhh, there is plenty of expert terrain." Says who? You? Well thank god we have you to figure all these things out for us.
News flash, FACE, there are people all over the world that will, until they are blue in the face, tell you what is right and wrong. They all have different belief systems, values, religions, etc.
The nerve you have. Can you imagine if someone came at you and said, "The way you live is wrong AND I KNOW IT."
GASP...you might allow someone to disagree with you. Instead you constantly force your opinions on others. Constantly reminding us what you KNOW TO BE right and wrong. Guess what, I disagree with you! Everything I know, from my head to my toes tells me I disagree with you. I couldn't think of anything sweeter than adding another expert lift. (Can you imagine if I came at you and said, "Listen, FACE, one thing I know for sure is, expansion is necessary...now hold up, there's just no way around it, expansion is necessary, I don't want to hear anything more about it...it just is what it is.) Like I said, the nerve you have coming at people telling them the way things are.
The purpose of this entire exercise was nothing more than attempt to prove, that presented with a genuine enthusiasm, you and your gang of thugs just couldn't let someone have their own opinion. You had to get the last word. You had to try an win. You had to try and prove me wrong. Honestly, I had no idea this would go on so long. And I probably could have kept you going for days. Even I couldn't believe how easy the trap was to set...and reset...and reset...and reset. I figured for you sure you would figure it out. But, you didn't, you and the rest of the extremists just kept arguing with me...and as I was hoping, some even became outright nasty. Boycotts, Tarring and feathering people, pitch forks, what seemed to be threats...yikes man, your friends are downright scary...I mean, where are we Alabame during the civil rights movement? Sure feels like it.
But you know Face, to me this isn't about winning. This is about awareness. Making sure that people in Telluride get a chance to see people's true colors, so when it comes time for them to make a decision, they have good information available to them.
Oh, yeah...I found this, just for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-Z2kRVQD3ofun
And remember, Face,
SMILE : ) IT IS CONTAGIOUS!
The weird thing is, ultimately I don't claim to be "more right" than you and those who haven't seen a development project they don't like. On the contrary, I'll be the first to admit I don't have any sort of direct conduit to the absolute truth on what is "right" and what is "wrong". However, I know what I know when I see it ... and the consequences (some of which might be irreversible) are readily visible to any reasonable person - plain as plain. You can minimize the intrusion (into Bear Creek) until you're blue in the face from trying to smile so much, but it will always be an encroachment into a very unique area. Moreover, it would be an UNNECESSARY encroachment given the vast amount of expert terrain currently available.
So if I spell REALTOR in all CAPS, would I be in compliance with the trademark rules?
...Sounds like a bunch whiners if you asked me. You must have too much time on your hands.
You know how we can turn that frown, UP-SIDE-DOWN!!!!
LIFT ACCESS IN THE CREEK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SMILE WHINERS, IT IS CONTAGIOUS !!!!
Talking to a Telluride Realtor is like cuddling up to Bernie Madoff. They can't be trusted.
Smile : ) I promise, you will find it is contagious.
So I listened to your video. Uhhh..."she said please don't dominate the wraps chats if you got nothing new to say" Face, take her advice, come at us with something new, the same old dribble is getting old. (While I remaing creative and fun.) She also says..."spend a little time on the mountain...spend a little time on the hill."
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM TRYING TO DO...GET'm in the Creek...GET'M ON THE HILL.
LIFT ACCESS IN THE CREEK IS GOING TO BE AWESOME !!!!!!!!!!!
MAKE A FACE!..CHANGE THE FACE!..MAKE A FACE!..CHANGE THE FACE!
Smile : ) Face. I promise, you will find it is contagious.
So I took my walk this morning and oh man, a Realtor took the gnarliest...well, you know...in my public land. So my community comes hauling butt out of their houses, waiving their pitchforks, something about there should be a law against this. And I was like "hey man, you need to stop whining...you have way to much time on your hands!" And they were like, "I'm calling county-wide Realtor boycott!" And I was like, "go ahead man! So they were like "Fine!" So this town marshall showed up and he was like "You know we should have laws about Realtors being on leashings and picking up their presents." So I was like "Quit whining man, your community has way too much time your hands, man!" So the community was like "I'm publicize what a bunch of carpetbaggers you are coming to this beautiful place and pooing all over it." So I was like "Your community is lame, man" and I guess he didn't like me thumbing my nose at their precious environment, because now they're going to picket Sothbey's during next Christmas vacation!
And this sucks, because my realtor friends and I were going to head up top today to check out where might poo in Bear Creek!
So not only can you not win an arguement by saying "more development is always best," but you're going to have everyone telling all the tourists to boycott Realtors for sh....ting where they live.
Oh well, my old lady is coming down to sneak me out of town to avoid being tarred and feathered....AND I'M STILL SOOOOO FIRED UP BECAUSE....
LIFT ACCESS IN THE CREEK IS ALREADY AWESOME !!!!!!!!!!!
AND FEWER REALTORS IS AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!
SMILE, REALTORS, IT IS CONTAGIOUS !!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO5y1E5BtsY
... or just enjoy the song, maybe you might see the light one of these days.
So I took my dog for walk this morning and oh man, he took the gnarliest...well, you know...in my neighbors. So my neighbor comes hauling butt out of his house, waiving his arms, something about there being a law against this. And I was like "hey man, you need to stop whining...you have way to much time on your hands!" And he was like, "I'm calling the cops!" And was like, "go ahead man! So he was like "Fine!" So this town marshall showed up and he was like "You know we have laws about dogs being on leashings and picking up their presents." So I was like "Quit whining man, you cops have way too much time your hands, man!" So he was like "I'm going to write you a ticket." So I was like "You're lame, man" and I guess he didn't likke me poking him in his chest, because now I'm in this jail cell down in Illium!
And this sucks, because my friends and I were going to head up top today to check out where they might put the lifts in Bear Creek!
So not only can you not win an arguement by saying "realtor", but you also can't win an arguement by telling people to "quit whining"!
Oh well, my old lady is coming down to get me....AND I'M STILL SOOOOO FIRED UP BECAUSE....
LIFT ACCESS IN THE CREEK IS GOING TO BE AWESOME !!!!!!!!!!!
SMILE, FACE, IT IS CONTAGIOUS !!!!
Oh, and good job on capitalizing "Realtor". I know that YOU wouldn't want to be accused of misusing a tradename ... as some of us around here have been lectured on in the past.
What ever you do, do not listen to this person! You can not win any arguement by saying "realtor". (THANX, MAN!)
But whatever, she's drunk and won't remember in the morning...and I'm just so FIRED UP, because.....
LIFT ACCESS IN THE CREEK IS GOING TO BE AWESOME !!!!!!!!!!!
Well there is one thing I know for sure, "SMILING IS CONTAGIOUS" !!!!
I'm just so excited, because LIFT ACCESS IN THE CREEK IS GOING TO BE AWESOME !!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, and don't forget folks! "SMILE, IT IS CONTAGIOUS" !!!!